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  1. Thanks for sharing that personal story, Albert. (As you can see, I’m all for the personal stories!) It’s inspiring to me as I was having a bad morning, but you reminded me to practice being present and interrupt the negative thoughts.

  2. Thanks Maria, glad I helped, and thanks again for the confirmation on the personal story. There was a period where I wasn’t sure if I was turning people off with too much personal info, but I’ll stick to personal stories now then - I think they’re the best to understand.

  3. Marilyn

    Thank you for writing such practical and to the point articles. I get something out of every article, even if it is a reminder of a previous idea. The concepts are almost too simple to remember sometimes! I would love it if you would write about boundries and Buddhism. I have a problem reconciling the two. It seems as though Buddhism doesn’t really have a place for personal boundries (of which I am trying to learn). Thanks again for your help. I really do appreciate it.

  4. You’re very welcome Marilyn :D . I’m not sure what you mean by personal boundries?

    Do you mean like a set of rules - like a set of lines where other people cannot cross? For example, when do you draw the line between saying yes to someone asking for a favor and when do you say no? Is that what you mean?

  5. Oh and also, how are you having troubles reconciling the two? Which parts clash?

  6. Marilyn

    Yes, that is what I mean. The problem with reconciling them is… if you love “unconditionally” and serve others, where is the line of taking care of your needs/wants and allowing others to keep demanding from you, or take advantage of you. If you love someone and take care of them and they keep asking for more, and you give more and they ask for more and you give more than is, say, physically healthy for you. Where do you draw the line? Or emotionally healthy? And remember you are talking to someone who has difficulty with regular boundaries. If you are supposed to protect yourself by protecting others can’t that leave to some vicious cycles?

  7. OK…this is a bit hard to explain and I’m not entirely sure if I can explain it properly, especially since I haven’t reached unconditional love either :D . I don’t even love myself unconditionally yet. I’ll do my best at explaining though, and then expand it into a future post. All that I type could be wrong, though.

    One of the meditations available for developing love and compassion simply involves loving yourself, and then expanding that into loved ones, then neutral people, then finally people you dislike. (Actually, it’s one of my half-written posts, so I guess I’ll post that next.)

    Now, notice this first part of the meditation. Loving yourself. Unless you can love yourself first, you can’t love others. All your loving, kind, actions towards other people won’t be “pure”. Loving others comes from filling yourself up with so much love that it overflows and hits other people.

    The ultimate goal of this meditation is to hit the point where you love everyone and everything unconditionally, but you have to start with yourself first. Not saying you turn into a selfish prick, but basically a realisation that you are also an person worthy of love. Over time, you’ll see that this is also your boundaries. If you love yourself, you’ll be able to say - no, doing this favor hurts me, doing that favor hurts me, so I can’t do it.

    Saying no to someone doesn’t mean you don’t love them. If you are busy at work, and your best friend comes in and asks for an hour of your time, you can completely love them and still say “I understand your predicament, but I would really like to finish my work.”

    “But you’re a selfish bitch!”

    “I understand how you can feel that way, but I would really like to finish my work.”

    I think that if you love them and this comes across in your words, then it won’t really hurt any feelings. It might hurt their feelings, but still, loving yourself unconditionally means that you recognise your own needs and wants as valid.

    This is not saying that you are better or worse than they are, or you can be an asshole. This is just saying that you love yourself as much as you love them. If you love all beings in the universe unconditionally and want the best for them, yes. You have to realise you are also a being in the universe and you have to love yourself in the same way too. Not more, or less, but the same. But start out with loving yourself first, and then let it overflow to other people.

    Maybe it would help to see things impartially. Move out of “me and my best friend”, and see it from the third person - “two best friends”. If you have two best friends, and one is busy with her work, and the other comes in and asks for her time, what would you recommend Best Friend Number One does? Given that you love them both equally, how would you keep both No.1 and No.2 happy and loved? Compromise? Prioritise? I don’t know. But you get my point. Everyone’s your best friend - including you.

    It’s not like everyone’s your best friend and you’re worth nothing, which is probably a common misconception.

    You’re probably thinking of all the stories where people sacrifice themselves for someone else completely. This reminds me of what they call the pre/trans fallacy.

    A baby, for example, is pre-ego. It’s not old enough to have an ego yet. An enlightened person also has no ego, but he or she has shed the ego. Both are egoless states, but they are not the same - but it’s easy to get confused. One is pre-ego, the other is post-ego. What some people forget is that having an ego is a necessary stage of growth. (Again I still have an ego, so I’m just going on research - no personal experience here).

    Same thing with love, I believe. If you don’t love yourself yet, it’s probably not the right idea to jump straight into extreme altruism. Love yourself completely first, and then let that slowly evolve you into altruism. So, set up healthy (friendly) boundaries, and then as your own love expands, transcend the boundaries. I hope. This last part is what I’m not sure of, because like I said I’m not there myself. As I understand it, it’ll naturally happen - no need to force anything.

    Hm…not sure if that makes any sense….let me know if it does :D

  8. Oh just to clarify - I’m not suggesting you go out and sacrifice yourself for others once you have a certain level of self-love. I’m just saying that from what I’ve read, it happens as a natural consequence. I’m not endorsing anything, though. Spend some time setting up your own healthy boundaries first, and see where that takes you.

    People in those stories are super-dedicated, and I’m not sure if it’s a metaphor (I heard of an enlightened master who cut off his own flesh to feed a starving dog, or something! ARGH! This is not what I’m suggesting!) I hope it’s a metaphor. He would be smarter to go to the butchers and buying the dog some meat. He can probably do more good too that way.

  9. Marilyn

    Thank you. It is always easier for me to understand the concept of something, rather than learning hard and fast rules. Then I can take it into my life and be able to use the principle in any circumstance I come across. This is why I like your writing so much.

    Thank you, Marilyn

  10. Helen

    I like the information very helpful for a student of life. I have been searching for many years for “enlightenment”, which to me means inner peace, love and joy for life. In 1984 I had an experience of total inner peace from negative thoughts, I was filled with joy and love. After 6 weeks of this experience and negative influence from an outside force, I returned to my former state of anger, blame, fear. I have tried to retrace how I got to that state over the past 24 years with no success, and so I finally gave up a few years ago. Just recently, I began thinking and questioning myself about my happiness and noticed the absence of joy within my life. Many forms of addictions were created to fill this gap and I was tired to focusing on the addictions, I wanted to go beyond and remembered how I did not need these addictions to feel joyful. As I searched within myself I soon realized my problem, which was my thinking pattern. I was so so immersed with thinking of my addictions I bypassed the problem. I never questioned my thinking pattern, so in other words no matter what healing method I started my thinking would sabotage it and I would give up. This pattern had become a habit so ingrained within even I didn’t know it was there. I looked at the 12 step programs before with my addictions and I gave up because I didn’t feel I was going anywhere. I went to meetings for years, you name it, acoa, co da, aa, alanon, e.a. for help. Now when I looked back I took my “dis ease” with me and wasn’t aware of it so how could I get well. I was dealing with symptoms only and not the core. I began to apply the 12 step program for my “negative thinking”, and something began to happen within. I noticed all kind of thoughts which were buried for years begin to surface, most notably, anger and blame toward myself, for everything. What Marilyn wrote is true, I have really tried to love others in the past, but couldn’t, because I was too filled with anger, resentment and blame, how could I? I really didn’t like being this way. I agree with you about not using positive thoughts to repress, when I read it I said, “right on”, heres someone who knows what he’s talking about. Over the years I have used the positive affirmations and positive thoughts, but it didn’t work for me, and I even tried many therapy groups and went along with other peoples positive energies believing it was I who made the break through, only to find myself alone at home with same negative feelings and thoughts. I am not knocking myself for trying to help myself, I am beginning to understand what I was trying to do for myself. Its amazing how our minds work, I know where I am upon waking in the am, its where my thoughts are, and lately I’ve been observing how hard I am on myself. What I am doing now is experimenting with various techniques to change these thoughts. First of all when it started and why I choose to think this way and next be aware when I am doing it and next to stop myself from furthering hurting myself. Now this is real work, in the past I thought I was working on myself, but when I look back I wasn’t really. This is real change. I believe what happened in 1984 was this, it was evening I just separated from my ex husband, I just hung up the phone on him and the topic was about his happiness vs my happiness. He wanted me to reconcile but I didn’t want to because I had adjusted to a life which made me happy.(we had been separated for a few months) I felt torn, I hung up with much anger and blame. I began to feel sad for myself and cried for about one hour, after this crying spell, and in the past I didn’t cry very much because much of my feelings were repressed, I remember a gap of nothingness, I got off the floor and went to bed. The next morning I was a different person, the same but different within. I was filled with love, joy and peace I had never in my life known. I wasn’t afraid of anyone and I enjoyed every moment. I could clearly see how many people were doing the same as I was self punishing things in manner and behavior, I could see this and I felt for them. Now, I believe its in my thinking pattern and the gap. I am not there yet, its still a new discovery for me. Only time will tell if this is it, in the past I have felt excited thinking I found the answer only to be disappointed. In closing, I want you to know I am grateful for finding your site, it was very helpful to meet others along the trail.

  11. Wow Helen, thanks for sharing that story. I’m very impressed by your courage - it must take a lot of it to undertake the journey you are. One thing I can suggest for long term change is emotional work:

    http://www.urbanmonk.net/85/th.....at-simple/

    Let me know how you go with it :D

  12. Helen

    Thank you for your immediate response, its nice to receive feedback. I work on my thoughts everyday and you know what? I am beginning to feel happy, even though I am unemployed and broke at the moment. I look forward to each moment and the thinking challenges which come.

  13. That’s fantastic to hear Helen - I take inspiration from your courage - like I said it’s very rare to hear from someone like you - who have taken action to move out of unhappiness instead of wallow in it. Thank you.

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