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  1. From one boxer, zombie movie fan, and proponent of buddhist philosophies to another … that is a great post. In reality, you have enough content in this one post to spread across 10 posts.

    Great insight on the impermanence of purpose / goals particularly as it related to the end of your boxing. For me, I stopped because I didn’t like being punched in the face. Less philosophical reasoning, but it worked for me. Keep up the great work.

    mike - http://www.zendonut.com

  2. @Mike: Being punched in the face probably becomes great motivation to stop after a while… ;) We could turn it into a ‘deep’ purpose by making a metaphor out of boxing, but sometimes it’s the simple reasons that provide the most purpose.

    Excellent post, Albert. :)

    It makes me wonder, though. Suppose that we keep asking “why” about our purpose, whether it is a temporary outer purpose or a somewhat longer lasting inner purpose. What does one find? What is the purpose of a purpose?

    I write (on my own site, as well as on other people’s sites in their comment sections) because I want to communicate. The purpose of communicating is because I want to understand many different sides… The purpose of understanding many sides is so that I can know the broad truths of people’s subjective worlds…

    The next “why” actually leads to two purposes: one is selfish and the other is selfless. I want to know how to control people, and I want to know how to help people. The purpose of these two purposes is so that I can understand myself, which leads to controlling and helping myself. Asking myself why I want to control and help myself leads to my ego. It isn’t a bad result, as it sheds light on how the ego works.

    A lot of people who hear about the ego think of it as a brick wall… They will not understand the ego, because it is a ‘bad’ thing. Asking why again shows that we can study the ego directly. Why does the ego want me to control and help myself? Because it wants me to survive… Naturally it wants me to survive so that it can survive… and it wants to survive so that it can help me survive. The ego creates a recursive purpose, lifting itself up by its bootstraps.

    This also explains why the ego attaches itself to “stuff” so much, like cars, houses, kids, etc. We each recognize that we will not live forever, so the ego attempts to create the next best thing in human culture: a legacy. whether he was able to completely subdue the ego or not, the Buddha’s ego still served its purpose: Siddhartha is immortal within society.

    Naturally, human society will some day end, and the name/title of Buddha will be lost… but Siddhartha Gautama is one of the oldest societal icons, living on with peers such as Lao Tzu, Jesus, Aristotle, and a few others.

    With that understanding, I have a new purpose… I’ll carve off another section of my ego and give it a purpose: To watch the rest of the ego. I’ll watch my ego strive to make my name a permanent fixture in society by trying to change the world for the better.

    And that falls nicely within my pre-existing inner purpose, being to bring peace.

  3. @ Mike: Hello fellow zombie killer! :D Teehehe, sick of getting punched in the face is just a good a reason as any. We’re both pretty, we have to maintain that. Pity to let our boyish good looks go to waste.

    @ Adam: Wow…that was a very in-depth analysis, and I really appreciate you sharing it with us all. The only thing I can think of to add to your comment would be the second to last paragraph… if you don’t mind me sharing as well. I’m not aiming to contradict you or anything, just to share my current understanding (a bit different compared to when I wrote my first ego article), which might be wrong.

    The ego is a concept, a sensation, one that we are strengthening with all these activities… it doesn’t really exist or control our activities. I used to fall into the trap of thinking of it as some kind of split personality inside me. I could be wrong, (most likely am, to be honest), but my current understanding is that we do all these things - trying to leave a legacy, etc, etc - simply because we believe in something that doesn’t exist (the ego), in the way that a child is nice around Xmas because it believes in Santa. Then that raises the question, who is the “I” that is believing in the ego? Perhaps that “I” is just a subtler version of the ego. I can’t really explain it all that well, as right now it is just book knowledge for me.

    But I think you’re heading down the right path with your exploration of the ego, in fact you’re probably further ahead than I am. I’m basing this statement on a chapter of The Book by Alan Watts - a vital read if you want to know more on this whole ego thing. He gives a rough progression of the various stages of understanding this illusion that never existed - and you seem to be at the very last stage. I hesitate to write more until it is something I have experienced, though.

  4. ~estrella~

    Purpose: when finding none at several moments in my life, I was nevertheless sure it will reveal itself.

    In the meantime, I first looked outside at nature (including us), and art.
    Art is a way to bring consciousness beyond mere intellect, in art-pieces (of any kind) we may be touched by *that* which stands beyond.
    When there was no pupose “in sight”, I just told myself to live for “looking at art”. (including listening to music, looking at a flower, looking in eyes of a human being…- the Creator’s Art…)

    Thinking about that, may take beyond the notion of “purpose”, but put some phenomenon as a kind of
    — “power of attraction” –
    (very much like that of a magnetic field) in action,

    - getting still, then looking inside (watching without thought): perhaps we may see where we are attracted to:
    to our Source.

    You may call it purpose. You may call it Love. You may call it whatever.

  5. John DeVries

    I’ve really been enjoying this series. Thank you, and keep it up!

  6. I like this broader perspective, the practice of folding purpose, or a series of purposes, into life instead of making purpose the end-all be-all. Takes the pressure off that one thing or action that we think will make us happy.

    “…and yet from a higher perspective you might be preparing yourself for something in the future.”

    I’ve seen this at work in my life. Something I do in the present seems to have no purpose or practical application and then, sometime later, I find myself using that knowledge or skill in a purposeful way.

  7. @ Estrella: That was poetic and beautiful! I have heard many spiritual teachers say the same thing: That all our lives is just one return motion to the home that we never left, we just have to stop obstructing it by trying so hard. Loaded language that we have to figure out for ourselves, sounds so paradoxical :D

    @ John: Thank you :D Glad you’re getting some value out of my mindless ramblings heh.

    @ Kirsten: Thank you too :) You’re right of course, that statement was originally stronger, but I edited it to be a bit less definite, but I still held the original true: nothing is ever wasted. Even the bad things can be seen as something good from a higher perspective. Adversity builds character, etc, etc.

  8. Cyrano

    Al,

    Another great post. I have found great joy in reading and learning from you, despite me being more towards improvement of my social self. But I guess they all come together at the end of the day :)

    - CY

  9. Hey Cy, good to see you here again. Definitely, maybe you’re fulfilling one of the needs of Maslow’s pyramid :D

  10. Excellent article, Albert. I love that you stress the impermanent aspect of purpose …. again, we have to practice detachment. If we cling to what we perceive as our purpose when we have, in fact, outgrown it, then we are shortchanging ourselves tremendously.

    Our purpose as it is in the moment is our personal means of evolution and growth. It is authentic self-expression. It facilitates change within, and therefore must also evolve and grow … if it is to continue to be our purpose! A static, constant purpose by definition will lose its value in our life - and then no longer fulfill its purpose!

    Thanks for your perspective - insightful and thought-inspiring as always!
    Blessings,
    Andrea

  11. Hi Albert,

    An awesome post.

    Maslow is a bit of a problem. It’s kind of true in one way. But the common critique that ‘it’s not just the wealthy who can live with purpose’ undermines its usefulness. The poor often have a sense of purpose and the purposelessness of the consumer society is almost a cliche.

    If the pursuit of purpose becomes futile there is another way. Reflect on what captures your attention, what grips you, when you have lost a sense of time through being absorbed in what you were doing. In this way you gain a sense of your purpose from what you have already experienced. We can know that we have experienced it already. As long as we don’t dismiss our experience as unimportant then we will know it and live it. (Unfortunately too many dismiss their gift. A friend of mine looks upon her ability to organise as being not worthy - I would love to have her gift for getting stuff sorted!)

    I think morality needs to be founded on the sense of life being a postive value rather than a neutral energy.

    Thanks for a wonderful post.

  12. @ Andrea: Detachment is a fantastic way of putting it! I’ve been hearing this term in relation to our goals from a few of my friends, and it’s wonderful. An approach of curiosity seems to be what they’re recommending. Thank you once again for all the additional value you always bring!

    @ Evan: Thank you as well for the value you always provide; I always look forward to your comments. I think many people interpret Maslow as saying we should all aim for wealth, but I think he is mostly talking about a basic level of income and physical resources instead of high amounts of money.

    Of course I could be wrong as all I have to go on are what we studied a while back in first year psychology; but I think he is right in the sense that until we feel roughly secure that we will be able to provide food and shelter for a while, most of us won’t be seeking higher purposes like art, philosophy, or spiritual pursuits. What do you think? Thanks once again for all the insights.

  13. Hi Albert,

    On Maslow. In my view it just isn’t true that the starving are less spiritual than the well fed. I’m not advocating starvation, just pointing out that spirituality is not a luxury good.

  14. ~estrella~

    Albert, are we aloud to point out some links?
    if so:
    About Maslow, two sites which might interest you:
    http://www.swamij.com/maslow-yoga.htm
    and
    http://www.iloveulove.com/psychology/maslowhon.htm

    btw ,
    I really like the
    http://www.iloveulove.com -site, …

    (along with the http://www.atmajyoti.org/ -site, of course…)

  15. @ Evan: Thanks for that, completely agreed. :)

    @ Estrella: Sure, links are fine! :D I really like the atmajyoti site too, heh heh. Those links are fantastic; especially the one on yoga - it is definitely a new perspective I’ve never seen before. Thanks.

  16. I agree completely about the money thing. I know people that make 10% the money I do and are much happier. I’ve started to realize what is truely important in life and try to balance them as best as possible.

  17. Thanks for that Buck, it’s great to come to that realization, isn’t it? I think that is when life truly begins, so that’s awesome!

  18. Yvonne

    Really interesting post and comments!
    With relation to the idea that basic needs must be met first before we can turn our attention to spiritual things - maybe we form this belief that we need food, shelter etc first because that’s how it seems from our apparently privileged position, and it has more to do with culture than with truth.
    I have read that the opposite is true. I think it may have been in ‘The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight’ by Thom Hartman. (I lent the book to someone so can’t be sure.) As an example, as I remember it, he writes about a North American Indian tribe described by an observer as having ‘wretched lives’ because they lived by foraging and digging up the roots of various wild plants for food. But these ‘wretched’ people actually had very rich spiritual lives and spent about 4 hours a day gathering food - as opposed to the 8 most Westerners do working. (gathering money for food!)
    And in case anyone is wondering ‘Ancient Sunlight’ is fossil fuels, particularly oil, and this book looks at the difference between the way tribal groups have co-operated and respected nature and the way some other civilizations have tried to dominate nature and others. A timely and fascinating book!

  19. Hey Yvonne, thank you for that. I love your perspective and stories. I probably was wrong in the way I described it; perhaps as long as we have food to eat, that’s the basic need fulfilled. As long as we are not starving to death, maybe that’s Maslow meant. Hmm… thank you for stimulating thought :D

  20. Thanks for the great article. Inner peace should be everyone’s goal.

  21. Thanks Fitness Friend :D

  22. Albert, you really are an excellent writer. I’m going to make certain I read your posts consistently.

    So, here is my advaita question for you: what if there really is no purpose to life? What if every purpose we come-up with is a just a story told by the mind to attempt to make sense of that which will never make “sense” to the mind?

    Think about it!

  23. Thank you for the compliment Tom, good to see you here :D

    You know what is funny…I actually wrote a part 4 to this series on purpose, based on what I know of non-duality. It’s basically to awaken, and to realise that you’ve got it all along. That nothing clashes with liberation. But I never posted it, nor can I answer your question, because it is just book knowledge and quite possibly wrong (kinda like talking about honey but never having tasted it) hehe!

  24. But your question has a purpose Tom. And your question is part of my life and yours (and ours).

    Thus I disprove it: kicks rock (writes post). (With apologies to Sam Johnson.)

  25. I love what you say about wasting time. You are 100% correct.

    As long as our actions move us forward along our path and help us figure where we want to go and what we want to be, then it wasn’t a waste of time …

    I also apply this concept to money. Sometimes we may feel like we are wasting money, but if our mistakes help us to figure out what is right, then they were merely educational lesson, NOT mistakes.

    Take care

    Mr Positioning (Stanley F. Bronstein, Atty, CPA, Author and Professional Speaker)

  26. @ Mr Positioning: Thank you again :D

  27. AVw

    Great posts Albert!…and thank you all for all the comments….really enjoyed it….and keep going!

  28. Thank AVW :D I appreciate having you here.

  29. Great article, i have to say that i learned a lot. I really like the part about the money and that’s totally true, it’s weird, we spend most of our life trying to get richer without thinking how happy we could be with less cash but more time. It also makes me think about how we often end up giving our kids lots of money and buy them games, but not giving them our time. Very nice article, i loved it.
    Also, i have to say that it made me smile when i noticed there is a small “smilie” at the bottom of each page :)

  30. Hey Jeff! Thanks for the comments, glad it helped. The smilie is funny huh? Hehe, it comes from one of my plugins, but I love having it there all the same.

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